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Well, is it wrong?

Yes... and now I have to see my Bishop.
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Postby ~Zesdy~ » Sat 19 Jul, 2008 04:21 pm

... RM!

Is this wrong?

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Postby Momma Snider » Sat 19 Jul, 2008 04:46 pm

I suspect there was more to the exing than what we read in the news. Like maybe he was asked not to sell them, and he didn't want to quit, and so on and so on.

As for being "wrong," it's not like the pictures were pornographic, as far as I've seen, but it's not what we want people to think of when the missionaries knock on the door.

But Zesdy, it is nice to see that you have a minute to post on the Board!

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Postby Lowdoggy Dogg » Sat 19 Jul, 2008 04:53 pm

This is telling:

Until his excommunication, Hardy was a sixth-generation Mormon who some six years ago stopped attending church, tithing or wearing the requisite sacred undergarments, but he insisted he still admires the church and wanted to use the calendar a form of outreach.


I hated this idea. Not surprised that the guy who came up with it was inactive and I'm unsympathetic to his excommunication.

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Re: Brings on a whole new meaning to...

Postby Coolboyharrell » Sat 19 Jul, 2008 04:59 pm

~Zesdy~ wrote:... RM!


Shall I assume that you're addressing me?

If so, then I'll first have to define the term "wrong", as used in your question. If you mean "wrong" to mean that this missionary was doing something he shouldn't have and will damage the work that he's involved in, and make it harder for other missionaries to do their assignments. Then yes, it's wrong, and he's an absolute idiot. (I was tempted to use the word "retard" here, but then I thought of Eric's Remark about that word and I started laughing).

As for being excommunicated, that's not my business, but I'm certainly not surprised. Hopefully he stops participating and/or encouraging these (and like) calendars.

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Postby EricDSnider » Sat 19 Jul, 2008 06:06 pm

First, the guys in the calendar aren't currently missionaries. They're LDS guys who were once missionaries. You know, for two years, which is usually as long as it lasts. Just to clarify. (Many of the news articles don't grasp that "missionary" is a temporary thing, and they constantly refer to the models as if they were shooting pictures one day, out knocking on doors the next.)

Second, they're only shirtless. Also just to clarify.

What always kind of irked me about this thing was that the guy who made it clearly was not doing it "to break barriers" or to get people to loosen up, or whatever. He was doing it to make money, period. Which is fine! I love making money. Just don't try to dress it up in fancy language to make it sound like you have some grand philosophical plan.

He talks in the news articles like he didn't think it should be any big deal, because it's all in fun and they're just shirtless and everything. But the fact is, he KNEW it would be controversial -- and that's why he did it. Because that's what would sell calendars. If he honestly thought up front that there would be no cause for an uproar, he would have discarded the idea as unprofitable.

Finally, his excommunication became newsworthy only because he went public with it. It's not like the church releases a list of new excommunicatees and the news media tracks them down for comment. He told the press he'd been summoned to a disciplinary council, and subsequently what the outcome had been. Why? Free publicity for the calendars, obviously. Using your private church dealings as leverage to sell more calendars seems a little shady to me.

P.S. The calendar guy in the pictures on that news article? An old BYU friend of mine, referred to as Chad in <a href="http://www.ericdsnider.com/snide/the-problems-of-the-cute">this column</a> and <a href="http://www.ericdsnider.com/snide/reigning-like-julius-tweezer/">this one</a>. I know lots of famous people!

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Postby ImAdhis » Sat 19 Jul, 2008 08:21 pm

I, too, am irked by the fact that the only reason this is in the news is because this guy ANNOUNCED it to the media for, obviously, the purpose of selling calendars.

I don't think the guys are "just shirtless." On the photos I saw, they had their pants pulled low and were obviously posing for sex appeal. As I've never been a fan of that tone of men-photos, I'm kinda grossed out.

Also, I feel the calendar models are not representative of the RM pool. Where's the model who returned with a receding hairline and 25 extra pounds??
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Postby Lowdoggy Dogg » Sat 19 Jul, 2008 09:01 pm

Or the permanent farmer's tan?

I noticed that I had a lot more hair after my mission. Unfortunately it was not on my head. The white shirt and tie was a like an incubator for chest hair.

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Postby Card » Sat 19 Jul, 2008 10:19 pm

Wow. That was, like, too much information. Next time, please just take a shirtless photo, make a calendar, and sell it. (Be sure to include some campy mission photo on the same month.)

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Re: Brings on a whole new meaning to...

Postby ~Zesdy~ » Sat 19 Jul, 2008 10:28 pm

Coolboyharrell wrote:P.S. It

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Postby Sarah » Sun 20 Jul, 2008 06:28 pm

I second the grossing-me-out-ness. The whole idea is just icky.

And Lowdogg, I also admit that I rolled my eyes when I got to the part about this guy being inactive for six years. That pretty much ended the hullabaloo for me.

Interestingly enough, apparently our FHE lesson was on this very incident last week. I'd talk about it in the "curiously inappropriate" thread, but I missed the lesson as I was coming in late from work. My roommate said the whole thing was terribly awkward.
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Postby AdamOndi » Sun 20 Jul, 2008 07:22 pm

Ugh. Seriously? This gives me a queasy feeling. I hate it when people exploit the church in order to make money. And those RMs are letting themselves be exploited as well.

As to the guy's motives, Eric is absolutely correct. He obviously stopped caring about his faith a while back, and now sees the church as a way to generate controversy and, therefore, publicity that will lead to sales. I am somewhat amazed that people would willingly pose for this sort of thing. Even worse are the examples in the story where the RMs' moms were encouraging it. Hey, look! I'm pimping out my son so that some other dude can profit. But it's all on the up and up because a "portion of the proceeds" is going to charity.
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Postby KMD » Mon 21 Jul, 2008 07:15 am

Two comments from the non-Mormon in the group.

1) (Said totally in humor, OK?) Quote from the article "Actually, you see more at a church pool party." Can someone invite me to one of these parties please?

2) (Said totally seriously) Another quote from the article "There's a very fine line here and [Hardy's] gotten close to it with the one with us, but when you start to do it with women, you start to get into the danger zone." So, why is it different with women, exactly?
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Postby ~Zesdy~ » Mon 21 Jul, 2008 10:36 am

*Said in a joking tone* Well, there usually is a difference between topless men and topless women. But... leave it to a pregnant man to contradict us... which is why I chose the word usually.

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Postby Matt » Mon 21 Jul, 2008 11:03 am

Ugh. Seriously? This gives me a queasy feeling. I hate it when people exploit the church in order to make money.
I feel the same away about a lot of the crap they sell at Deseret Book. :wink:
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Postby Momma Snider » Mon 21 Jul, 2008 11:08 am

I wonder what would happen if we made a calendar with overweight, fully-dressed Visiting Teachers? Well, besides that no one would buy it.

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Postby AdamOndi » Mon 21 Jul, 2008 11:29 am

Matt wrote:
Ugh. Seriously? This gives me a queasy feeling. I hate it when people exploit the church in order to make money.
I feel the same away about a lot of the crap they sell at Deseret Book. :wink:


Oh, my distaste for most of the inventory of Deseret Book is well established also. I'm kind of surprised that they haven't started carrying the calendar in DB stores. Heaven knows they will try to sell anything else that has the word "Mormon" attached to it.
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Postby InOregon » Mon 21 Jul, 2008 11:48 am

KMD wrote:Another quote from the article "There's a very fine line here and [Hardy's] gotten close to it with the one with us, but when you start to do it with women, you start to get into the danger zone." So, why is it different with women, exactly?


I don't see a difference. As members of the LDS church, we're taught to be modest. When I was a kid, it was just as wrong for my brothers to go topless as it was for me. Society disagrees. (My husband disagrees too, but that's a whole other ball o' wax.)

The town my parents live in has a law that says only your genitals need to be covered in public. So, there's a woman who walks around town wearing nothing but a G-string made out of hemp. She was in the 4th of July parade this year, causing quite an uproar (it even made national news). I attended another parade to avoid seeing her. My sister saw her and said there wasn't much to see, as she is "built like a 12 yr old boy." At the parade I attended, the grand marshal of the parade was the local high school's biggest football fan--a shirtless, 400 pound man complete with giant, F cup, unholstered-by-a-bro man boobs. Was her shirtlessness worse than his? What if he'd been wearing a g-string too? Would anyone else agree this was a perfect representation of irony?
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Postby KMD » Mon 21 Jul, 2008 12:46 pm

LOL! You know, I completely wasn't thinking about it as "topless", but just "sexy". Like, they're walking a fine line showing these missionary men as sexy, but if they did it with missionary women, it would be crossing the line. And I was trying to figure out where that double-standard was coming from. But, when you make it "topless", now I can see the problem!

And InO, that is irony at it's finest. Man-boobs are far more offensive to me than a flat-chested bare chested woman. But honestly, I don't want to see either, thankyewverymuch. What are these people doing in a parade in the first place! Shouldn't they be full of marching bands and floats made of napkin flowers? Not nakedness?
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Postby hotel manager » Mon 21 Jul, 2008 01:09 pm

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Postby Momma Snider » Mon 21 Jul, 2008 01:29 pm

I thought it was funny that one of the comments on that article was all upset that Hardy had been excommunicated for being gay. I don't know where that came from.


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